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but this is a terrible way to govern and a terrible way to run our government. any business likes to have some way of planning. so do government agencies. by having these deadlines makes it hard for people who are trying to make the government work. >> always great to talk to you, my friend. thank you. >> thank you. >>> much more ahead as the nation inches forwards the everyone of the fiscal cliff. and at the top of the hour, david gregory's interview made news from "meet the press." that's coming up, too. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. if we took the already great sentra apart and com
but this is a terrible way to govern and a terrible way to run our government. any business likes to have some way of planning. so do government agencies. by having these deadlines makes it hard for people who are trying to make the government work. >> always great to talk to you, my friend. thank you. >> thank you. >>> much more ahead as the nation inches forwards the everyone of the fiscal cliff. and at the top of the hour, david gregory's interview made news from...
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all of them mean we have less revenue to support the operations of government, so if going forward we're going to reach a balance, where we both cut spending and raise revenue, we have to achieve the right balance of those, so if there are folks in the other party, the republican party, who feel strongly that we should not allow income tax breaks of the last decade to continue, that's fine. i think they simply need to be willing to balance that with some of the democratic priorities like extending unemployment insurance benefits for nearly 2 million unemployed americans who will lose them tomorrow. >> thank you senator chris coons for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up, former president george h.w. bush is out of icu, and the how the oak ridge boys may have helped lift his spirits. >>> and with less than 30 hours to go before the fiscal cliff, we're watching capitol hill for any kinds of a deal today. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down fr
all of them mean we have less revenue to support the operations of government, so if going forward we're going to reach a balance, where we both cut spending and raise revenue, we have to achieve the right balance of those, so if there are folks in the other party, the republican party, who feel strongly that we should not allow income tax breaks of the last decade to continue, that's fine. i think they simply need to be willing to balance that with some of the democratic priorities like...
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to try to govern, i'm not driven by some ideological agenda. i'm a pretty practical guy. and i just want to make sure that things work. and one of the nice things about never having another election again, i will never campaign again, is that i think you can rest assured is that all i care about is making sure that i leave behind an america that is stronger, more prosperous, you know, more stable, more secure, than it was when i came into office. and that's going to continue to drive me. and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of, you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party h
to try to govern, i'm not driven by some ideological agenda. i'm a pretty practical guy. and i just want to make sure that things work. and one of the nice things about never having another election again, i will never campaign again, is that i think you can rest assured is that all i care about is making sure that i leave behind an america that is stronger, more prosperous, you know, more stable, more secure, than it was when i came into office. and that's going to continue to drive me. and i...
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. >> i would say that sometimes he governs like a visitor from a morally superior civilization. he comes in here and he will talk with boehner. he won't talk with the other republicans. he hasn't built the trust. >> so has the president and the democrats, do you think they have done enough to build trust on the other side? >> i think so. i have been here 30 years now. this republican conference in the house is more hard edged, more hard to bid than has been true almost all the time i have been here. there has been in a sense a radicalization in the republican conference here in the house and it makes it very difficult to negotiate. the president has been talking with the speaker. he made an offer. it was essentially rejected by the speaker. he then comes up with another alternative. it is turned down by the conference that he is supposed to lead. i think all of that has made this a more difficult proposition. i think the president, he has offered cuts in spending essentially it has been very difficult to deal with this republican majority now in the house. and what i am hopeful
. >> i would say that sometimes he governs like a visitor from a morally superior civilization. he comes in here and he will talk with boehner. he won't talk with the other republicans. he hasn't built the trust. >> so has the president and the democrats, do you think they have done enough to build trust on the other side? >> i think so. i have been here 30 years now. this republican conference in the house is more hard edged, more hard to bid than has been true almost all the...
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we need to deal with our run-away government spending, the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reforming government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> i understand you've been on this fight for a long time and you've been devoted to the whole idea of not seeing taxes increase anywhere. what we're down to is largely a political battle over the increase in marginal tax rates based on what you earn. i understand there's a lot more to this puzzle. but on that front, because that's the one that gets most of the ink around here. it's the whether people who earn more than 250,000 or 2z 400,000 or a million should pay more tax. the point i'm trying to get at is that's not going to hurt the economy. that's all we're talking about. paying 4.6 percentage points higher on your income over 250,000, the evidence isn't there that that's going to hurt the economy. >> it will take taxes from 35% to 43.6%. because you have to
we need to deal with our run-away government spending, the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reforming government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> i understand you've been on this fight for a long time and you've been devoted to the whole idea of not seeing taxes increase anywhere. what we're down to is largely a...
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do you want the government to do nothing about spending? are you happy with obamacare? most would say no, but in the end the choice was between a president who said things aren't great, but i'm still going to try to make them better and a guy he painted as not having a plan and not identifying with the average wants and needs of middle class americans and in the end, people decided to stick with the devil they knew rather than the one they didn't. >> paul: so the election, the republican defeat was big, but it wasn't overwhelming in a sense of repudiation, kim, as far as a republican platform and their agenda? >> no, i think the reason, look, this country had the opportunity in this election to once again hand completely controlled government to democrats. everyone in the house was up for reelection and yet, they continued to give republicans, majority there. they liked divided government and i think you've got to look to the number of states that have elected very conservative governors who are doing the exact opposite of what barack obama is doing at the federal level
do you want the government to do nothing about spending? are you happy with obamacare? most would say no, but in the end the choice was between a president who said things aren't great, but i'm still going to try to make them better and a guy he painted as not having a plan and not identifying with the average wants and needs of middle class americans and in the end, people decided to stick with the devil they knew rather than the one they didn't. >> paul: so the election, the republican...
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to try to govern, i'm not driven by some ideological agenda. i'm a pretty practical guy. and i just want to make sure that things work. and one of the nice things about never having another election again, i will never campaign again, is you know, i think you can rest assured that all i care about is making sure that i leave behind an america that is stronger, more prosperous, you know, more stable, more secure than it was when i came into office. and that's going to continue to drive me. and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left-wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today. if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone
to try to govern, i'm not driven by some ideological agenda. i'm a pretty practical guy. and i just want to make sure that things work. and one of the nice things about never having another election again, i will never campaign again, is you know, i think you can rest assured that all i care about is making sure that i leave behind an america that is stronger, more prosperous, you know, more stable, more secure than it was when i came into office. and that's going to continue to drive me. and i...
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the government's broken. we need to fix it but we need to have public debates. one side puts a plan on the table, like the house has done, they have passed two budgets, with proposals to save medicare for future generations. senator harry reid has not passed budgets. president obama's budgets have been voted on 3 times, the final vote tally, 0-610. so getting back to your first question, have i seen a plan out of this president that would be an obvious yes from us? i haven't seen any specific plan. all i have seen is demagoguery and a few numbers thrown out, whether it's $800 billion over 10 years or $1 of revenue for $3 of spending cuts, but nothing specific that we need to see to hammer this thing out. >> he says the onus is on congress, this is your job to get done. he said in the clip we just had, if it doesn't get done, the people who are going to pay are the senior who is will lose out on benefits that they are enjoying. is that an accurate representation of what will happen? >> no! this country needs presidential leadership. the house has passed two budge
the government's broken. we need to fix it but we need to have public debates. one side puts a plan on the table, like the house has done, they have passed two budgets, with proposals to save medicare for future generations. senator harry reid has not passed budgets. president obama's budgets have been voted on 3 times, the final vote tally, 0-610. so getting back to your first question, have i seen a plan out of this president that would be an obvious yes from us? i haven't seen any specific...
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we cut government subsidies that shouldn't be given. we set priorities, organize billions of dollars, sent it to the house. the house committee acted. for the life of me, i cannot understand why the speaker of the house turned his back on rural america, on consumers. people get their jobs because of agricultu agriculture. here we are running up to this cliff. if something is not done, milk prices are going to double or triple. so, we have to at least pass what's called an extension of current law. the four agricultural leaders, republican, democrat, house, senate have come together. all four of us agreed on language to do that. now they need to get it passed. >> are they going to get it passed? >> they have to. i believe we will. >> the agriculture secretary called it historic to come up to this point of the farm bill. thank you so much for your time. >> my pleasure. >> hopefully everybody's blood pressure goes down. a lot of people are upset. we appreciate your time. talk to you soon. >> thank you. >> we are 22 minutes past the hour he
we cut government subsidies that shouldn't be given. we set priorities, organize billions of dollars, sent it to the house. the house committee acted. for the life of me, i cannot understand why the speaker of the house turned his back on rural america, on consumers. people get their jobs because of agricultu agriculture. here we are running up to this cliff. if something is not done, milk prices are going to double or triple. so, we have to at least pass what's called an extension of current...
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an epic battle coming up early into the new year over raising the debt ceiling because the federal government is once again reaching the limit of how much money can be borrowed, once again facing the possibility of the united states defaulting on its debts, and, you know, last time that led to a downgrade, a credit downgrade. certainly not good news for the economy. >> we lurch from one crisis to the next. one last quick question. there's also talk about a dairy cliff involving our milk prices going up. is this real? is this likely to happen? >> isn't this great? dan, if congress does not act by tomorrow, your milk prices could, in fact, double -- by the way, cheese prices, as well. but once again, we believe that the congress will come up with some kind of a solution on this, at least a temporary one, but, again, down to the wire, they need to pass a farm bill or at least a temporary farm bill to prevent those milk prices from going up. >> d.c. forcing tax increases and lactose intolerance on america this morning. jon karl, thank you very much. jon, by the way, has a big show this morning. s
an epic battle coming up early into the new year over raising the debt ceiling because the federal government is once again reaching the limit of how much money can be borrowed, once again facing the possibility of the united states defaulting on its debts, and, you know, last time that led to a downgrade, a credit downgrade. certainly not good news for the economy. >> we lurch from one crisis to the next. one last quick question. there's also talk about a dairy cliff involving our milk...
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. >> i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education and the, what's the third one there? let's see. >> yeah. it's one thing to be unable to remember the facts. it is something else to make them up. before disappointing in january, minnesota representative michele bachmann treated us to her version of american history. >> the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united states. men like john quincy adams who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country. >> yeah. the gop was running candidates that just made stuff up. congresswoman, the founders were slave owners and john quincy adams, not a founder. yes, it seemingly reached a mass of election ridiculousness in 2011. the fun was just beginning. no sooner had we cracked over the 2012 calendar than rick santorum dropped this race bait into the political waters in january. >> i don't want to make people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. >> oh, blah -- right? hearing it once was hila
. >> i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education and the, what's the third one there? let's see. >> yeah. it's one thing to be unable to remember the facts. it is something else to make them up. before disappointing in january, minnesota representative michele bachmann treated us to her version of american history. >> the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united...
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the federal government an act in 1942. the supreme court in wich a guy growing grain on his own farm can feed himself and his own cattle was told by the supreme court he could not do this because it is it in viation . act it is it about milk and 1949 and the federal government isng to go and make a mark and make a fair market of this . we'll buy it at eight dollars a gallon. >> and it is johnathon. that milk your drinking is about to do you believedouble in price. >> forge the cookies. >> thas the problem and the farm bill is the problem. governme should center zero role in milk agriculture production. it is it so long last that intervention is the problem and creates the cliff because of the distortions and creates more uncertainty and destroys wealth . these farm bills are terrible and safety bl outs for producer to guarantee prices and restrict foreign compition and gop wants to ge behind something get away from subdiesilk producers included. julian, back in '49, we decided the governmen would buy up milk. if it went do
the federal government an act in 1942. the supreme court in wich a guy growing grain on his own farm can feed himself and his own cattle was told by the supreme court he could not do this because it is it in viation . act it is it about milk and 1949 and the federal government isng to go and make a mark and make a fair market of this . we'll buy it at eight dollars a gallon. >> and it is johnathon. that milk your drinking is about to do you believedouble in price. >> forge the...
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thes thing to immortality is a government program. politicians are labeled with hot wind and we label the section gone with the wind. >> we have sending sib sidies in '92, has it been worth it. >> we are early inlet process. we have subsidized oil and coal and gas. we have done themrom darn near a century. these don't look so bad. like i or not, the majority of americs believe that global warming is an issue. we need to develop clear energy sources. fossil fuels may b a difficult problem. we are subsidizing thingings. it is cheaper to produce energy from natural gas. it is a subsidies. other than it is nural gas there. it is 63 cents compared to $53. th is not a pay off to me. >> i will have to disagree with rick. last time wind energy had any impact w in the century. we have moved in oil and naturalas. but let's get rid of subsidies and let them sink or swim. nd energy will sink and we'll be better f. it is behathe sector we'll pour billions into it >> the wind farms are kind of methadone clinic. we'll reenact the two percent . part
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the government. the government is sig bbigger, unless we do something it will get bigger and the deficit will get bigger even if we raise taxes on everybody. we still have a huge deficit. if we do not take on spending, then the cliff may not seem like a cliff but will be a downward slide to make us like greece. no lodnger a viable economic power. >> hang on. we'll continue this. we have to take a quick break. the fiscal cliff has the president sounding like new york yankees legend yoeg gi ber ra. >> this is deja shz vu all over again. americans want to know why you can't get stuff down in an organized timetable. >> so if we all saw it coming, why did congress wait so long to do something about it? why do toys for tots and hasbro trust duracell to power their donated toys? duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiot
the government. the government is sig bbigger, unless we do something it will get bigger and the deficit will get bigger even if we raise taxes on everybody. we still have a huge deficit. if we do not take on spending, then the cliff may not seem like a cliff but will be a downward slide to make us like greece. no lodnger a viable economic power. >> hang on. we'll continue this. we have to take a quick break. the fiscal cliff has the president sounding like new york yankees legend yoeg gi...
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secondly you nee the government involved. >> the government is involved. >> guys. >> w own the-- >> and ancillary problems that go along with this poisoned housing market right now, i'm sick and tired of hearing whether the govnment should get involved or not. and they're not involved. and. >> they are involved. >> schools, fire departments, local government when houses go under, you can't have it. >> the government controls the entire mortgage market. we own fannie mae and freddie mac, now, we're venturing out to control more of it. >> right. >> it makes zerocents. >> got to take full control, guys. listen, you want to penalize something, go after the home owners for building up the inventories, when they're doing it and gng into consumer sentiment numbers and giving false reading. >> fuelly not enough inventory right now t meet demands, but anyway, ben, final word. >> todd, if you can pdict the future and value of any important commodity my hat's off to you. >> thanks, ben, i appreciate that. look, i respect you, too, going forward in the housing market right now, i don't know where y
secondly you nee the government involved. >> the government is involved. >> guys. >> w own the-- >> and ancillary problems that go along with this poisoned housing market right now, i'm sick and tired of hearing whether the govnment should get involved or not. and they're not involved. and. >> they are involved. >> schools, fire departments, local government when houses go under, you can't have it. >> the government controls the entire mortgage market....
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whenever the government int intercedes and tries to fix the market. back in 1978 they deregulated the airline industries, you had airlines come and go and some failed and some rightly so, but you look at the-- for example, ups. if you go in and you choose two day delivery at ups and they screw up a couple of times, guess what, you start using fed ex and maybe even the postalervice forrying out loud. with airlines, people, yeah, you might get stuck on the tarmac for eight hours and people are blogging and twittering like crazy and whatever airline did that more than a few times, toby wouldn't fly delta, fly american or take the train or something. let the market work, the government can't manage it. >> brea: what do you think, does the invisible hand of the market work or does the government need to reach in as well. >> and what i think is that gary b and tobin can go ahead and die a slow death sitting on the tarmac, i'm for the fast death, and not having the airlines leave people parked on the tarmac also, look, we have two huge storms, one behind the
whenever the government int intercedes and tries to fix the market. back in 1978 they deregulated the airline industries, you had airlines come and go and some failed and some rightly so, but you look at the-- for example, ups. if you go in and you choose two day delivery at ups and they screw up a couple of times, guess what, you start using fed ex and maybe even the postalervice forrying out loud. with airlines, people, yeah, you might get stuck on the tarmac for eight hours and people are...
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the government has lifted its ban on youtube so pakistani's could see their newest star. >> reporter: it's so sweet, it's short. it's just something you would want to pass on to someone to help them get through the day. >> reporter: he has promised a big return but he has a long way to go if he wants to catch up with gangnam style's 1 billion views. at least he got those customers buying fish. for today, duncan golistani, london. >> it is a long way to 1 million hits. >> at one point, you keep on growing from there. i also think it sounds like a great deal on fish. one pound for fish, not even a couple bucks >>> still to come, reality tv's breakout star, honey boo boo and the other pop culture standouts of 2012 but first these messages. plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her likes 50% more cash. but i'm upping my game. do you want a candy cane? yes! do you want the puppy? yes! do you want a tricycle? yes! do you want 50 percent more cash? no! ♪ festive. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on every purchase plus a 50% annual bonus on t
the government has lifted its ban on youtube so pakistani's could see their newest star. >> reporter: it's so sweet, it's short. it's just something you would want to pass on to someone to help them get through the day. >> reporter: he has promised a big return but he has a long way to go if he wants to catch up with gangnam style's 1 billion views. at least he got those customers buying fish. for today, duncan golistani, london. >> it is a long way to 1 million hits. >>...
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the latest unemployment report from the government is expected to be released friday. >>> the new year means new members of congress will officially get to work this week. one of the first duties of the 113th congress? elect party leaders. house speaker john boehner could face a challenge. also on the agenda changes in committee assignments and possible revisions to house and senate rules. >>> to massachusetts now where heavy snow is pounding the state and bringing with it freezing temperatures. boston could see up to 8 inches of snow today. the city's mayor has already declared a snow emergency. a top priority is getting the roads cleared for public safety. >> my guys live for this, so they're at their best when this kind of weather comes along. they're all geared up. it's like christmas morning for them. >> the neighbors to the south in rhode island are breaking out the shovels this morning. we'll show you that video. about a foot of snow has already fallen in some parts of the state. i know it's wintertime and it's supposed to snow, but these are the big snows so it's always interes
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it's now 35% of all the revenue from the government is coming from payroll tax. it's a regressive tax. there's a cap of $112,000. >> keep in mind, this is fiction that the payroll tax pace for social security. you're running large-debt deficits and there's knotting in these securities, there's no tax that pays for any particular program. the politics of the payroll tax is it helps to sustain the fiction that social security is like an insurance program or retirement program rather than what it is which is regular old welfare program but a welfare program for the middle class. >> fdr's idea was if you see if money coming from your paycheck you'll invest it -- >> with that tax in there nobody can mess with my damn social security program. >> right. >> but it could be fiction. >> the only fiction here is that it won't impact people if we don't pay enough attention to making sure we have the insurance system for people to retire. it was a pillar of creating the middle class, coming out of the great depression. when one of the policies that helped to produce the ameri
it's now 35% of all the revenue from the government is coming from payroll tax. it's a regressive tax. there's a cap of $112,000. >> keep in mind, this is fiction that the payroll tax pace for social security. you're running large-debt deficits and there's knotting in these securities, there's no tax that pays for any particular program. the politics of the payroll tax is it helps to sustain the fiction that social security is like an insurance program or retirement program rather than...
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important because if the taxes are raised, the republicans want to be able to argue they were able to cut government spending. while this isn't the most important parnt. there's much more to look at, the goal being sunday. >> thanks, kelly. my eyes didn't glaze over. it's hard not to conclude he's the first casualty of war. boehner put it forward. since then he's been more of an observer than a player in this crisis. joining me now to talk about boehner's fate. i want to start with you. john boehner as we heard from kelly o'donnell is going to have to face meeting democrats if we have a deal. then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge trouble. i think boehner'
important because if the taxes are raised, the republicans want to be able to argue they were able to cut government spending. while this isn't the most important parnt. there's much more to look at, the goal being sunday. >> thanks, kelly. my eyes didn't glaze over. it's hard not to conclude he's the first casualty of war. boehner put it forward. since then he's been more of an observer than a player in this crisis. joining me now to talk about boehner's fate. i want to start with you....
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the government would bring in to run the federal government. that's how much we spend in 12 days. so, all of this fighting back and forth, that's why so much is being said or lack of-- i guess i should say, lack of being said about cuts. and the real way we can grow this economy is cuts. get all of this out of control spending in place first. >> dave: right, and just the conversation alone that we're now having, the american people are the loser in this deal because none of this talk is about this package growing the economy, jump starting any type of industry, doing anything about our deficit, doing anything about the out of control entitlements, this is simply, as we've seen before, kicking the can down the road. >> juliet: france's president, francois hollande, part of his platform he's going it raise taxes on the very rich. for him. 1.3 million u.s. dollars, that doesn't work out so well for him. and that plan was shot down and the folks there saying it was unconstitutional. >> clayton: this news sort of happening overnight as we're getting
the government would bring in to run the federal government. that's how much we spend in 12 days. so, all of this fighting back and forth, that's why so much is being said or lack of-- i guess i should say, lack of being said about cuts. and the real way we can grow this economy is cuts. get all of this out of control spending in place first. >> dave: right, and just the conversation alone that we're now having, the american people are the loser in this deal because none of this talk is...
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at the top of that list, government spending cuts. that's about 8% to 10% in cuts to most every federal agency. also a pay cut for medicare doctors of 27% that would hit after january 1st. finally, don, there are a slew of other tax hikes. the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank you very much. >>> we've got a lot more planned for you this saturday night. here's what else is ahead. as our lawmakers wrestle with u.s. gun violence, chicago hits an awful milestone. 500 murders this year and counting. what's to blame? a former gang member and chicago's police superintendent join me live. >>> plus, president obama could tap this republican to lead the defense department. but not everyone wants to see a secretary hagel. why some of the loudest voices with coming from his own party. >>> and 2012 is almost history. but what's the tak
at the top of that list, government spending cuts. that's about 8% to 10% in cuts to most every federal agency. also a pay cut for medicare doctors of 27% that would hit after january 1st. finally, don, there are a slew of other tax hikes. the alternative minimum tax is one that people talk about. the estate tax. these are all things that would affect average americans and which would hit on january 1st. so the fiscal cliff, it might be even bigger than people realize. don? >> lisa, thank...
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. >> they have no faith in the government at all. >> best way to keep the polls going down, that delaying tactic called sequestration. neither party wanted to tackle tough budget issues before the election, so they kicked the can down the road, right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. and of course, they blamed each other. best surprise for supporters of gay rights. state victories and supreme court consideration for same-sex marriage, the election of the first openly lesbian u.s. senator, and president obama finally coming around to their cause. >> my expectation is that when you look back on these years, you will see a time in which we put a stop to discrimination against gays and lesbians, whether in the office or on the battlefield. >> it's equality. you know, people should be able to do whatever they really want in life. >> worst disappointment for supporters of comprehensive immigration reform. the president promised, but won't be able to deliver until his second term, although he did issue an executive order, allowing children of many undocumented workers, to stay in the u.s. for col
. >> they have no faith in the government at all. >> best way to keep the polls going down, that delaying tactic called sequestration. neither party wanted to tackle tough budget issues before the election, so they kicked the can down the road, right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. and of course, they blamed each other. best surprise for supporters of gay rights. state victories and supreme court consideration for same-sex marriage, the election of the first openly lesbian u.s....
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. >> i would bet on a lot more indebtedness by the federal government. i would also add a prayer that the republicans and democrats will work together to avoid that. we've just got to get together. disaster is not red or blue. it's got to be american. and we don't want it. >> and we don't want to cash in our chips but that's the final hand. our thanks to all of our guests for being here and to you for watching. on behalf of all the folks at "a.c. 360" and cnn, i'm tom foreman wishing you all the best and none of the worst in 2013. >> tonight, finding faith and purpose this holiday season. >> we need good news. >> people say, i fell out of love. well, that is your voice. >> what america needs now. >> the good life isn't good enough. what you need is the better life. >> the issues that matter. >> you know why we have to change the constitution? it is a flawed document, it was made by men. good evening and happy holidays and welcome to the special. joining me, rick warren. the questions of of church and state and much more. the author "the purpose driven li
. >> i would bet on a lot more indebtedness by the federal government. i would also add a prayer that the republicans and democrats will work together to avoid that. we've just got to get together. disaster is not red or blue. it's got to be american. and we don't want it. >> and we don't want to cash in our chips but that's the final hand. our thanks to all of our guests for being here and to you for watching. on behalf of all the folks at "a.c. 360" and cnn, i'm tom...
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. >> this weekend, government issued the's are arriving at the capitol signal talks are still going on, but the americans are getting impatient. >> sit down, get in a room, and don't come out until you get this taken care of. >> right now, harry reid and mitch mcconnell are working on a so-called mini deal to prevent a tax increase for roughly 98% of american workers, extending unemployment benefits to nearly 2 million people, preventing cuts to medicare doctors. >> whenever we come up with will be in perfect. >> it comes up with president obama calls the bare minimum addressing tax cuts without doing anything to curb spending. >> we will get at best a patch and be here again in two months. congress cannot get out of its own way. >> average family would pay an extra $3,400 next year. >> the law says that every american's tax rates are going up. every american's paycheck will its mother. if that the impasse has shaken wall street, -- the impasse has shaken wall street. >> i think the likelihood is we go over the fiscal cliff. >> jim moran is wondering if partisan politics has destroyed
. >> this weekend, government issued the's are arriving at the capitol signal talks are still going on, but the americans are getting impatient. >> sit down, get in a room, and don't come out until you get this taken care of. >> right now, harry reid and mitch mcconnell are working on a so-called mini deal to prevent a tax increase for roughly 98% of american workers, extending unemployment benefits to nearly 2 million people, preventing cuts to medicare doctors. >>...
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. >> i would bet on a lot more indebtedness by the federal government. and i would also add a prayer that the republicans and democrats will work together to avoid that. we've just got to get together. disaster is not red or blue. it's got to be america and we don't want it. >> and we don't want to cash in our chips but that's our final hand. thanks to our guest for being here and thanks for watching. i'm tom foreman, wishing you all the best and none of the worst in 2013. >>> tonight, with pastor warren talks religion, reason and what america needs now. >> the good news lnt good much. what you need is the better life. >> from the election and economy to same sex marriage and more. the issues that really matter. >> why we have to change the constitution? it's a flawed document. it was made my men. >> what does god mean to you? this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening and happy holidays. welcome to this special "piers morgan" tonight. joining me, one of the most influential leaders in the world. it's rick warren. tonight we're going to talk about fait
. >> i would bet on a lot more indebtedness by the federal government. and i would also add a prayer that the republicans and democrats will work together to avoid that. we've just got to get together. disaster is not red or blue. it's got to be america and we don't want it. >> and we don't want to cash in our chips but that's our final hand. thanks to our guest for being here and thanks for watching. i'm tom foreman, wishing you all the best and none of the worst in 2013....
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. >> the government of canada assured us that they would do all their best to investigate this case and to give proper answers to the inquiry. >> vancouver airport officials reviewed the incident and made changes to the airport's customer care, communications, medical response, and safety and security department. officials say those improvements will make a passenger's trip through the airport easier. that's it for this edition of "caught on camera." i'm contessa brewer. > due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you have never seen. "lockup: raw." three unforgettable inmates. each one about to cross the threshold to freedom. >> look back, you come back. this time i'm not looking back. >> we witness their joys. >> i look like a pimp. look at this little phone. >> do you think i'm stupid? >> their fears. their triumphs. >> i have done everything i could over the last 26 years to be ready. >> sometimes the only thing tougher than being in prison is s
. >> the government of canada assured us that they would do all their best to investigate this case and to give proper answers to the inquiry. >> vancouver airport officials reviewed the incident and made changes to the airport's customer care, communications, medical response, and safety and security department. officials say those improvements will make a passenger's trip through the airport easier. that's it for this edition of "caught on camera." i'm contessa brewer....
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. >> we have a crisis of self government right now. >> if an agreement is reached it would be with the president calls a bare minimum keeping unemployment benefits for about 2 million americans in place. tough issues like spending cuts will not be tackled until next year. the next 24 hours will be crucial. richard reeve, abc 7 news. >> we have an update on former president george h. w. bush. the 88-year-old was moved out of intensive care at a houston hospital. they say that his condition continues to will improve and the family thanks everyone for their prayers and good thoughts. president bush has been in the hospital since late november for a cough. >> a deadly plane crash in russia tonight. what investigators believe happened. >> following developing news from russia, where a passenger plane has crashed as it as it attempted to land in moscow. 4 people of the eight who were on board were killed, 4 others seriously injured. and the the woman who was gang raped in india at two weeks ago has died. the police in new delhi are urging people to stay calm. there have already been riots an
. >> we have a crisis of self government right now. >> if an agreement is reached it would be with the president calls a bare minimum keeping unemployment benefits for about 2 million americans in place. tough issues like spending cuts will not be tackled until next year. the next 24 hours will be crucial. richard reeve, abc 7 news. >> we have an update on former president george h. w. bush. the 88-year-old was moved out of intensive care at a houston hospital. they say that...
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who believe that the government has the responsibility to care for them. who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. and so my job is not to worry about these people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility. >> a very valuable comment. >> i am going to go with bill clinton. >> one speech? >> it was 20 years in the making, the story of the speech, for the first 15 years, republicans treated bill clinton that he was the worst thing that ever happened to american politics. the villain in chief, and after he left the white house, there was the moment in 2008, when republicans decided wait a minute, no, bill clinton is this by-gone symbol of an era, in good government, moderation, and they sang his praises for four years. they set him up as the good democrat against obama's bad democrat. and then what happens? the good democrat steals the show, vouches for the bad democrat, and disarmed what a lot of republicans were saying about barack obama. >> you have made a reasonable argument. chris hay
who believe that the government has the responsibility to care for them. who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. and so my job is not to worry about these people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility. >> a very valuable comment. >> i am going to go with bill clinton. >> one speech? >> it was 20 years in the making, the story of the speech, for the first 15 years, republicans treated bill clinton...
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this right here, it's a story of some government and politics and small town life. mr. fricke, the leading write-in vote getter told "the new york times" that politics has lost its luster, even in small towns. oh, gee, i wonder why. thank you, washington. but it's also a story, an interesting story about unemployment. you have a job available, one that only pays a hundred bucks a month, and nobody wants it. and that in this economy is very, very rare. a job nobody will take. for most available jobs, there are lines out the door of qualified applicants. and that is the most important fact about not just the economy, but about what is happening in washington right now, as we speak. the biggest deal, the biggest problem with a deal that has not been struck in congress is coming up next. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get re
this right here, it's a story of some government and politics and small town life. mr. fricke, the leading write-in vote getter told "the new york times" that politics has lost its luster, even in small towns. oh, gee, i wonder why. thank you, washington. but it's also a story, an interesting story about unemployment. you have a job available, one that only pays a hundred bucks a month, and nobody wants it. and that in this economy is very, very rare. a job nobody will take. for most...
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and they don't, the government would shut down. there are major fiscal fights that need to be resolved beyond the immediate fiscal cliff. we are not even talking about the major policies that you are talking about. immigration reform and gun control legislation, those are things that can fall by the wayside if we are consumed by the fiscal talks which seems likely. >> it seems they crawl from one crisis to the next. thank you, sir, we will see you later in the hour. >> thank you. >> president obama will be talking about the fiscal cliff with david gregory on "meet the press" tomorrow, it's an exclusive interview, check your local listings for the air times. if you miss it, we will rerun it on msnbc tomorrow afternoon at 3:00. >>> want to update you on developing news in houston. george h. w. bush has been released from icugabe is staineding by. you told us two hours ago that the president was singing to doctors and unurses, he sounds like he is doing better than a week ago? >> yes, we got a update saying that former president bush
and they don't, the government would shut down. there are major fiscal fights that need to be resolved beyond the immediate fiscal cliff. we are not even talking about the major policies that you are talking about. immigration reform and gun control legislation, those are things that can fall by the wayside if we are consumed by the fiscal talks which seems likely. >> it seems they crawl from one crisis to the next. thank you, sir, we will see you later in the hour. >> thank you....
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our government is spending way too much money. we need to cut back on spending, cut -- >> arthel: where? >> look at the entitlement programs, for example. there's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse going on there. that is not even on the table. and so listen, we can cut our expenses in our country that is spleeningful and very important for us to do because right now, they're just kicking the can down the road and it's not going to help our economy. >> arthel: waste, fraud and abuse, where? because when regular folks at home hear cut my entitlement, you're looking at the older people when are looking at their medicare or medicaid benefits being affected. >> there is a significant amount of waste, fraud and abuse going on in medicaid and medicare. so that is something i think a needs to be addressed. that's something that has not been looked at. i think that is part of our problem. >> arthel: michael, you get the last word. >> i don't think you need to hold up the tax issue on the spending. the congress has the power of the purse str
our government is spending way too much money. we need to cut back on spending, cut -- >> arthel: where? >> look at the entitlement programs, for example. there's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse going on there. that is not even on the table. and so listen, we can cut our expenses in our country that is spleeningful and very important for us to do because right now, they're just kicking the can down the road and it's not going to help our economy. >> arthel: waste, fraud and...
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the government will be taking more out of their paychecks and when the tax time will roll by in april, they'll feel it and businesses will feel it. once people will see they're losing money on this deal you'll see more public outrage about it. >> david naka, mura, calling for an up or down vote if the senate can't come up with it. he's talking about 250,000, at one point 400,000. is it realistic to think that the president can win this thing on an up or down vote? >> if they actually go to an up and down vote there will be a lot of pressure on those who were against a temporary fix with this to make their case known and actually go on the record. that's why the question is would the republican senators who would oppose this thing at the $250,000 level, they would use some of the mechanisms they have like the fill buster and things that the public doesn't like, but they're certainly part of the tools that the senators have to object to these things. would they block it? as mark murray said, this is about the blame game and setting up and if you'll block it, go on record to do so or you
the government will be taking more out of their paychecks and when the tax time will roll by in april, they'll feel it and businesses will feel it. once people will see they're losing money on this deal you'll see more public outrage about it. >> david naka, mura, calling for an up or down vote if the senate can't come up with it. he's talking about 250,000, at one point 400,000. is it realistic to think that the president can win this thing on an up or down vote? >> if they...
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dysfunctional as the federal government is. few expect the administration to embrace these ideas unless they get dres operate or creative. >> and not sure what to do with the left over christmas tree. one farm in rhode island have a clusion solution. >> they are giving the tree tots goats. it started when they gave the goats a free to munch on and now the neighbors bring the trees to feet the goats on the farm. we do have larry gatlin with us. we had a technical difficulty. there you are larry. thank you for joining us. we have you briefly. >> how are you doing. >> i tomit get your take on the end of 20 12 and beginning of 2013. what do you think of it all and what is going on in washington? >> well, they are a mess. a collective mess. my dear friend dr. art thinks we are in for rough time. two old boys in georgia dieded to go on at water melon and bought melions 50 cents a sold them for 50 cents and one of
dysfunctional as the federal government is. few expect the administration to embrace these ideas unless they get dres operate or creative. >> and not sure what to do with the left over christmas tree. one farm in rhode island have a clusion solution. >> they are giving the tree tots goats. it started when they gave the goats a free to munch on and now the neighbors bring the trees to feet the goats on the farm. we do have larry gatlin with us. we had a technical difficulty. there...
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divided government is a good time to solve hard problems. and in the next few days leaders in washington have an important responsibility to work together and do just that. >> two reports for you here at the top of the hour. nbc's luke russert and nbc's kristen welker look at the capitol, kristen at the white house. luke let's start with you. next 72 hours, what are they supposed to look like and what's happening right now? >> reporter: it's interesting, t.j. i'm here at an empty capitol hill. it really is. minority leader mitch mcconnell, majority leader hay harry reid are negotiating over some type of package to avert a large tax hike on the middle class. what the package would look like we don't know. over the next 72 hours we'll have the negotiation, between mcconnell and reid going to go onned to. tomorrow the house of representatives gavels back into session about 6:30 p.m. if there is to be a deal between reid and mcconnell it would most likely be presented to the house gop tomorrow. possibly we could have a vote late sunday night or
divided government is a good time to solve hard problems. and in the next few days leaders in washington have an important responsibility to work together and do just that. >> two reports for you here at the top of the hour. nbc's luke russert and nbc's kristen welker look at the capitol, kristen at the white house. luke let's start with you. next 72 hours, what are they supposed to look like and what's happening right now? >> reporter: it's interesting, t.j. i'm here at an empty...
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government learned that you need arabic speakers on the ground? or that you need addedsecurity cameras on the ground. for that you need enough people to protect your people on the ground. we have gone over this again and again. the state dertment doesn't seem to learn it, and that is where i think larry clinton is going to have a problem spewing ambassadorolon? >> when they talk about systemic failure, you have to say who is in charge of the system. the system, the captain of the state is the secretary of state. maybe they didn't want to say that, and maybe a panel didn't mean to say that. that is the inescapable conclusion of that lonn litany of failures. and i think that whilehe scope of this report is very limited, it lays a basis for congress to go forward. i think that we shouldn't link at the clear and sharp, unambiguous statement. there was no demonstration in benghazi. they knew from the get-go that this was a terrorist attack. lou: you can cut this anyumber of ways that you want to in this administration. the american people wre lied to.
government learned that you need arabic speakers on the ground? or that you need addedsecurity cameras on the ground. for that you need enough people to protect your people on the ground. we have gone over this again and again. the state dertment doesn't seem to learn it, and that is where i think larry clinton is going to have a problem spewing ambassadorolon? >> when they talk about systemic failure, you have to say who is in charge of the system. the system, the captain of the state is...
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the honest debate is that conservative people on the right want less government and destroy government to take what people get out of it. a way to end it. so we are not, and the left is not talking anymore about what the real issues are are, and we talked about in the break about social security, and they are going to gut social skuecurity. i'm okay. i'm old [ laughter ] but y'all are going to be in trouble when it comes to social security and your generations will be in trouble when it comes to social security, because they are going to take it back and gut it so people won't get their do. and we talked about, melissa, if they raised the cap and people who made up to $a 500,000 or more a year had to pay social security, there would be no social security problem for 75 years f. we had not raided the trust fund to begin with, there would not be a problem. we are not talking about the real stuff. >> so when we go over the cliff, whicht looks like we will do, we are talking about 2 million people losing unemployment insurance and immediate cuts to medicare for the poorest americans, and t
the honest debate is that conservative people on the right want less government and destroy government to take what people get out of it. a way to end it. so we are not, and the left is not talking anymore about what the real issues are are, and we talked about in the break about social security, and they are going to gut social skuecurity. i'm okay. i'm old [ laughter ] but y'all are going to be in trouble when it comes to social security and your generations will be in trouble when it comes...
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we have a crisis of self-government right now. to be real clear about it. this is a time bomb that congress set. nobody wants to see frustration cuts. but that's the stick they put to their own head as a way of compelling a deal to get done. and a deal doesn't get done. we're not even aiming for the grand bargain that is necessary to reduce long-term deficits and debt. we weren't that far from a deal two weeks ago. but we are today. we're going to get a patch and be here again in two months. congress can't get out of its own way. we keep setting our own traps. and we can't find a way to reason together. >> john, we appreciate the clarity, even if it's depressing. thank you very much. john avlon. >>> a lot of other news developing overnight. for that, let's check in, as always, with mr. ron claiborne. good morning, sir. >> hi, dan, bianna. mr. avlon, good morning, everyone. we begin in australia, with a confrontation with a shark. it cost a surfer two fingers and a chunk of his leg. the 29-year-old was surrounded by a pod of dolphins when the shark attacked
we have a crisis of self-government right now. to be real clear about it. this is a time bomb that congress set. nobody wants to see frustration cuts. but that's the stick they put to their own head as a way of compelling a deal to get done. and a deal doesn't get done. we're not even aiming for the grand bargain that is necessary to reduce long-term deficits and debt. we weren't that far from a deal two weeks ago. but we are today. we're going to get a patch and be here again in two months....
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why should the government do that? >> there is deep concern about this idea, actually a lot of fear. but the problem is, people felt that a very short period was a good idea because it goes back to the public. the gift was supposed to be the public. after just 14 years. and then after 28 years if you re-upped. now it's life plus 70, which is essentially endless and there's no fair use left as far as we can be tell. the ability of the second innovator, second actor to use this infrastructure and freeflow of information has been been sharply cut back. we've handed a series to autocratic players who are using technical commands to fulfill their own business desires and it's not good for our economy or the future of innovation in american. >> sole the basic idea to get people the ability to make a living as an innovator. you can make a living a as an innovator. >> actually, the basic idea was to get more stuff to the public if you gave an incentive. >> because then you can could devote yourself to giving new ideas and crea
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debt and the government can't get too much done. i don't think that's decisive of how the economy performs but it's definitely something that's going to weigh on people. if taxes go up across the board on virtually everything then smaller take-home pay does impact. >> it hurts. >> thank you so much to both of you. we look forward to seeing both of you later in the new year. >> yes. >>> coming up later we'll have some important tips for avoiding your own personal fiscal cliff in 2013. >>> now, just a couple of days after the east coast endure add powerful storm another one is about to hit, bringing even more snow and rain and all of those problems that come with that. here this morning with more on that is jeff berardelli meteorologist at our station in miami. good morning to you, jeff. >> good morning to you seth and good morning to you, everybody. you know this is turning out to be a pretty significant system. we've already had three inches of snow in parts of kentucky. it's moving east into central pennsylvania as well in fact. as
debt and the government can't get too much done. i don't think that's decisive of how the economy performs but it's definitely something that's going to weigh on people. if taxes go up across the board on virtually everything then smaller take-home pay does impact. >> it hurts. >> thank you so much to both of you. we look forward to seeing both of you later in the new year. >> yes. >>> coming up later we'll have some important tips for avoiding your own personal...
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, but if he's a member of the taliban, it's true, maybe there's going to be somebody in the federal government that thinks we need to ask some questions of this person. >> but if you're the person here talking to the uncle and you're completely innocent, you're still caught up in this. >> you're not caught up in the sense you're going to jail, not caught up in the sense that anything bad is going to happen to you. >> thank you to brian todd reporting there. >>> we want to update you now on the investigation into the killing of two firefighters who were ambushed as they battled a fire in upstate new york on christmas eve. police have arrested the gunman's neighbor. authorities say the 24-year-old woman bought a semiautomatic rifle and a shotgun for the suspect who later killed himself. she faces federal charges that she lied to authorities. spangler couldn't buy the guns legally because he was a convicted felon. he had them with him during the attack. >>> let's talk about some weather because winter is just a week old at this point. >> what a winter it's already been. >> millions of people have
, but if he's a member of the taliban, it's true, maybe there's going to be somebody in the federal government that thinks we need to ask some questions of this person. >> but if you're the person here talking to the uncle and you're completely innocent, you're still caught up in this. >> you're not caught up in the sense you're going to jail, not caught up in the sense that anything bad is going to happen to you. >> thank you to brian todd reporting there. >>> we...